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I louise Davis and visiting Julius nervo at his home in Healdsburg. It is June the 9th 1988 with him. Is his sister Margaret, nervo um Margaret, can you tell me about when the nervo family first came to the Geyserville area? And who was it? Who was

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the first one Who came as? Probably your parents? Oh sure, I think he's got that written down. Oh yeah. So what have been your where your mom and your dad already married when they came? They must have guys Bill must have been and their names were

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just like you have here Maria Maria, your names were Francisco or frank nervo senior and Maria. Yeah. And you say they both came from Italy somewhere near venice. Do you have any idea why they came to the United States? And I often wonder what year did

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they come over? Pan here? What year did they come over from? Italy? Here we ought to just stop and wait leads off the phone. Huh? Could Julius. We were just talking about the nervo family. When do you know when they first came to Geyserville, 1896, and

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they were already married. Yes, they got married in Italy yeah, I mean it really was. Yeah. Why did they come to die? So that's a good question. We had no, he had no where else is up here? I think the Italians 1st colony. He heard they

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were hiring swiss and Italians shark marijuana, That's probably how he got here. Do you know if you worked for the italian swiss colony. I don't think so. I don't think so. He bought that place we are now because he worked in a channel train tunnel from

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a at least. That's the first one for three years and you've got a big gold mine. Then he He told me one time he was He was a coal miner at the age of nine. Well how could be, I don't believe that nine year old kid

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couldn't be doing that. Maybe never maybe night this was in Italy. Yeah. Are you kidding? Oh no that couldn't be right nine year old kid heaven. So then um he came here two guys a girl but you don't know why he came to guys you know

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we don't know just like the Myers unless it had something to do with nasty. I had no relatives that I know how they came. Just like the Myers in Ferguson. How about Bart did come first. So I don't I don't even bark was your father's brother.

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And where did he live? Sure he was a shadow. So he never lived in the in Sonoma County now that I know of visit quite often. Not too often. Yeah they're called. Yes sir way some big but like a big depot or something. Whether it's sort

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of a depot. He wouldn't diminished. Well he's so candy uh what company newspapers at uh tickets for the busters to go in north and south. No this was in Seattle that he did this. Yeah and he said he might have come first. No, no, I'm I'm

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just, I'm just guessing. I don't know. Well do you have any idea who your dad bought his land from? Well, uh to Monica was sorry first, that's right with that he bought that was given to the Fitch here, you know Fish mountain as From the Spanish,

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he paid $1 to make it legal. Now there was franklin, remember this? There was 34 different owners before my folks partner and they were, that was a cattle ranch. All all spanish had cattle c at that time. And as 2 2 men bought it and found

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a vineyard the same injured this way, right, right there now and then he eventually took all the trees and brush, rock for the river. And what is that? The biggest vineyard and after after procession swiss colony, they were the biggest. Mm hmm. Now these were the,

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you're talking about the other men that owned it before your dad did or or was it the second biggest vineyard when your dad owned it? Uh there was only 10 acres when he bought it And he worked at up to 135 acres mm By taking the

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trees and brush and so forth. So you mean to start with, there was only 10 acres and vineyard. Yes. And then eventually they only went income to head at that time. Yeah, of course the spanish they had cattle. Mhm Well how big when your dad bought

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it? How much? How many acres was it all together. Even the part that was not in vineyard was It's always 258. Yeah so some of that was in the hill I suppose a little of it was in the hills. Well that's why we own now hundreds

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of 115 acres. You still own it. Yeah that's rebus yeah. Well the house is the north but then the back is just hell there's nothing in there under the trees. Where did you live or where did your parents live when they first came way up. Punch

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off the hill in those days they built on top of hill nobody else did. Now everybody wants to be on top of the hill. So my father this manhood and took it down with horse and wagon and built right near the Redwood highway. Now there was

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already a house there when they moved their up when the hill behind where the house is now and then your dad dismantled it and brought the house down to nearer to the highway. There there were the President's house says no but it was a wooden house.

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Then we we built that house in 1925. Mhm. Because it was the old one. A two story house. No can you remember it Margaret? No all of one stories. All one story it must have had a lot of rooms in it for all those Children. Well

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that's a big goal with this present house is like a hotel. Yes sir. five bedrooms and 14 rooms altogether. Well it looks big in the middle of the patio. It's not a big but then there's a long hallway. I don't like all this draft in the

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window. I didn't like it flat roof uh hot in the summer and they don't like spring long. They're no good. I wouldn't have a flat roof. Uh like uh at least or something that you do see girlfriend that's houses the present houses solid train feet, walls

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us franks we we kids when the the river was a horse and wagon and hold the gravel there. Then we had two corners of cement coming by rail and to Carlos of lumber by rhea. Mhm. Now you you would have been 15 years old. About right

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when that house was built. Yeah I was going to high school with help after high school who picked that design because it's kind of an unusual architecture, roman roman. I don't know if frank got that you know. And cardinals calm your concrete had the form. He

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had that form you know. Oh gosh I don't know where he got that ideas. Too many pillars bunched up together. I didn't like that. I didn't care what frank wanted his way. So that was frank's idea to do that. He made those columns. He did a

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lot of concrete there and steal in it uh with those forms to make that form you know that took a long time with a little by little then he'd be and all that. A payment around the house. He made that and that fence. Remember the concrete

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fence? They may feel bad. I do remember that's not there and you know the freeway took it but I never cared for the fence remind me of a cemetery fence. How do you wake up the idea? How many bedrooms did the old house held? Yeah, I

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don't even remember that one really could have been to many in those days. A lot of kids slept together and yeah, I mean it's the beds like they do even know someone had bunk beds, you know, but why schools hopped up with the big house, got

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the high ceilings. I remember was she was feeling they had no day. I wonder how they all built two story home days. How could they afford in those days every labor was down to nothing. And you worked long hours. No. Do you remember your mom and

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your dad? Oh yeah. Tell me a little bit about your mom and your dad. Well I know that they worked there all their life. She worked out in the field all the time to, I don't know how they did it, raising the family work out in

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the field. She didn't work, he did on the field, Get back from certain place he went? So be Tuesday so you can talk too long? Huh? Okay. What were the names of some of your neighbors? Hm neighbors. Yeah on the round. Sure your neighbors, the people

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who lived around hires Bill Ferguson. Yeah. Myers and wife Bernie Meyer and claus Meyer. They have owned ranches right nearby. No Children. Huh lily. No uh claus Meyer. And which other meyer did you say? Uh Bill Bill would have been a little Bill, Henry, Henry. No

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it's the Bill name. A scene now I'm doing my his folks name, his his father's name wasn't Bill's father's name, Henry. I don't remember that. Bill's father. Uh huh. They lived there for years you know I couldn't say. Okay. Anyway there was another meier. Who else?

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Oh there were two Myers. Yeah. Ernie my hair, anybody were next to Ferguson. They were related. Well sure that's Chloe's brother. They had one girl, Bernie Mildred Me Out, one Girl Children. Her name is bracket right And who else? Then then then comes Harry maier the

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sun with two sons Bob. You know he he said he goes to the chamber of commerce is meetings regard. I am going to visit bob meyer Tuesday. Oh so I'll get all the meyer family history then now who else did you have? Were the wise carvers

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neighbors? Yeah. What do john Wick? Which wise carver was it Lucille's father Floyd Lord's father Floyd's father. Yeah but then his folks live there. Lloyd's wife. Why? Lloyd's father and mother live there. Lloyd's father and mother live there. Do you remember their names? Well last name.

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His wife's company had large family. They were scattered. Mm No Lucille could tell you about that. Lloyd, the banker. That's oh no I remember mrs weiss covered. He was a tall man. They have mostly cherry archers in those days cherries. All the neighbors cherries and some

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prunes little grapes mm bicycle range with a good range. It's called Heart's Desire Ranch. Right. I read that someplace Hearts Hearts Desire was the wise car. Mostly cherries, unusual. Yeah. Barry and and john john wooden had some cherries now he had a son named john he

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just retired from the actually winery. Mm I should talk to him. Yeah he should move to his buddy. Yeah I think there were there last oh finally still had property and guys who will I think they're all died or sold out or something. The witness went

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and showed out. Yes. Yes a couple years ago. Oh more than two years ago isn't it? Who is the last family, Who was you just said they were the last family over. Oh you were yeah because we're still there. Right and everybody else has moved. Yeah.

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Some passed away. Yeah. And you've been with who had also? Alvin Greene if bordered us north. You never married. That's where the name? Reena Kanye, that canyon was on his property. And his name was Alvin. Yeah. Everybody used to go in there for walks. Yeah. No

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I've been in there. Wait a minute. He had a successor didn't he? You mean? Oh yeah. Her name is Reynolds Mill mellie. There wasn't listening. That's that's Elizabeth. Reynolds. Uh see venus sister married a man named Reynolds Mill valley shoes too. Borders are borders where Bengalis.

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You still remember down the lane your congress is left. Yeah. Well it's the lane there I think cross well in our home is way down. You can hardly see it. Mom talked about a lady by the name of shoots and when mom remembers her the husband

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was dead and I was thinking that her name was Anna Annie Annie shoots. Yeah. Yeah. I think they're buried in the cemetery. I mean the name there. Yeah I remember her. So she lived she's so near death to she was deaf. Oh this coon coon was

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still alive. These He's a salmon river California. Well near Oregon. He never married either. He's about the 90s by now. How many how big of this circle do you want? Good that's a good question. What about the Mhm. You Bill andrews. So that is named Bill

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Andrews. Minerva as husband who owned that property before he bought it. That wouldn't be too far from you. That used to be the von Ranch. That's the that's the old von branch. And how do you spell born the A. U G H A N. Or just

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N A N. Isn't on him. Did you know I knew the kids, I need a needle is over here in the second street up here. Her name is by Gandhi. Uh the uh I needed let's write a few doors from us. Well I have her on

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my list visit to, do you know who owned it before the Vaughns owned it. Mm We could I don't we couldn't remember that. Did Jim Anderson ever own it? Remember someone by name of Jim Anderson? Anderson? No, no. Do you know anybody by the name of

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Vassar? You know whether that ranch was ever owned by anybody that we're talking about going back a very long time ago in in my my grandfather's old funeral records. There are a couple of indians that died and he has written on there something about buried on

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the old Vassar branch and I know there was an indian cemetery of Green Canyon. Yeah, there uh they pretty mad about that because you're not supposed to go through uh indian cemetery. Right. And in another place he has written that the indians were buried on the

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old Jim Anderson place and I don't know where the old Jim Anderson, I don't know who could live old enough, I would remember. I tell you know for Ferguson maybe they wouldn't know on their phone person. Meyer Meyer nervo shoes, White Skydiver. Okay that's going kind

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of from north to south. Okay. Mhm. There were no other houses that were built by your family. Just the one that was moved down from the hill and then that Roman style one. That's all right. When was the wine rebuilt? 19 8? In 198. Yeah, All

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soon now. Is that unusual that it's all stone and especially unusual. First this county nap economy has more. Mhm. Where did the stone come from? Uh Jim town, Jim town today. Yeah, well, near the river there on those hills carried by parson wagon again. Horror favorite.

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Put them up there without machinery. Well, the wine region was not was built not very long after your father and mother came to guys Orville. No, But then if they came in 1890 winery, These people that had 10 acres the head of wind. Me south of

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the house, whole wooden winery and that was dug into the hills to keep keep it cool for heaven. Thanks. Then my father, when the railroads went to, my father built the a strong wind 19 8, I don't know how old you And when he was Yeah,

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goes away back, did your father have only grapes have what only great Yeah. Until prohibition came in and Well, well originally, Yeah. Uh huh. Then then probation came and all farmers did this instead of having all grapes that pull some grapes out and put prunes pair

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so they could have some income and then it went back to grapes. All right. Now everybody's saying I'll prove oh my now you have now there are only grapes now. Yeah. Now what about these other orchards that you talked about? Like Meyer and wise carver, Did

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they have only grapes originally? No, they were prunes and cherries, pears. A lot of Meyer had a good parent. No grapes, no grapes. He had prunes. Mhm. But Myers had mostly pairs but he had some grapes too pretty Mayer. Mm hmm. But they had they had

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other things besides grapes. And your ranch to start with was just grapes. And then pro when prohibition came in you planted prunes and now it's back to grapes. Uh You and you can't remember the name of the people that you bought the ranch from that your

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father bought the ranch from that had this old wine. Yeah. Two, two swiss man. They bet the house on top of the hill and they were single men. Yes. Monaco and Ari Ozzie. Yeah. Monaco is first. M. O. N. Oh wonderful. And reality. M. O. N.

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O. No, they built that wooden winery, Andriy, Ozzy and they built the wooden winery. You have no idea when? No. Well I'd like to know our our guests would be maybe a eight 18 60. Well that was a long time ago because we were first one

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of the first in this county they were. Mm Hmm. Then we kept uh that was a wild looking place. We were we've been there in 90 years is a grape in the wine business? Of course we showed that half of it. Two Henry Troy oni guys

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are big bought her first. Mhm. That was slit guys, People always went by the old name. Oh we all did. It still is. It's confusing. You don't know who the real owner is anymore. Yeah. Then truly brought out. Yeah, they replanted. They own the nervo winery

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now, but they keep the same. They get the family name, which I think it's confusing and they do that with everything. I did not know that. I thought you still owned. No, it was a newspaper. I'm glad we're still in that. Is there anything at all

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left of that old winery? You know, I know, you know, you know what happened, the state state burning down when they put the freeway, we try to stop them but you can't stop them. So I suppose a part of the winery, the freeway frontage road or

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something just covered it over. Yeah. Yeah. Go uh here's our something important. Those two men in the horse and buggy days, the road went a little closer to the house then just now. No, they they sold sandwiches and wine to the other people are going by.

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But with the buggies. Yeah, that's probably the first one in California roadside scale. Why don't remember that? Yeah. Said the two brothers. Oh Monica and how do you know that? you will go down. Did you write that down? How do you know they sold sandwiches and

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things like that? I can't hear too good. How do you know that? How do you know that they sold sandwiches? Uh My oldest brother told you yeah I told you that mm well frank used to have quite a bit information and books but I don't know

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where what he did with who? Who built the stone winery? My father by himself. No he had a bill by storm nation santa rosa. Uh He built a lot of places in china rosa stone. Yeah I can't think of his name. A valiant man but they

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got but they quarried the rock in alexander value and hauled it over and horse and wagon actually actually maybe uh my show passed it down in in in those hills Yeah. Which is now owned by Jordan's big winery from Denver. Just imagine where they came from.

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Denver. Yeah. Have you ever been up there? Just oh my God went there once they had an opening and we were I guess we were she drove prohibition you you couldn't operate you say so so grapes too Chicago, new york, new Orleans san Francisco so I

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was gonna bring another point. Oh uh wait did you just say say it went wet it again in 19 32 and we put a we built a ah tasting room and say this room near the winery 9 19 c 19 33. What is the oldest, probably

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the oldest winery that had wine tasting, how this had they sold but they didn't have wine text you see. Yeah. Where you get where free you were innovators. Yeah. Yeah. I don't see whether my I do. My brother didn't like it. Given away free wine and

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gala brothers Never did give away free one and they're the biggest in the world. They won't given free wine Now Gallo is a lot newer than you are. Yes. uh I think Harry told me they came in after prohibition. Oh yeah they started 1937 and ours

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was way back to like I said bobby 8 18 60. So do you think that what which do you think is the oldest winery in Sonoma County maybe ask D Boy. No, we were before as steve what? Yeah, they say, they say so. Number. What's that?

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How could they be up? That's so and so and wanted me to do you mean buena vista? Yeah. Wayne a vista. That's an old one in cinema. Somebody else way down sauces claims there are so older so it's hard to say mm hmm. But yours is

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definitely the oldest in the area and they're probably. Yeah right, northern California. Northern Sanoma release. When did ask he start 1881? Oh and as I can say these Frenchmen uh swiss german way back raging and you just took that over. So it always was a continue

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was in continuous operation. Right from the swiss right to your dad? Yeah, except well progression. We're still farming and sold grapes. So went on all this time. Did you have to close your winery down? Yes, yes. So you pick the grapes and then you shipped the

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grapes to other places like you could do that lug box. Is that right? Yes, but one that went permission, that winery was full of wine, 200 50,000 garments that you couldn't sell it. They get so a lot of self and that's your bootlegger. And we're about

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the only ones that I didn't take advantage here, but we were afraid to get caught or you know, did it spoil, oh no. When high natural, super, super wine, but when high age have to sell it to the sale you for nine cents a gallon. Remember

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you know that you know what the big binder is dead like nasty napa valley. A gallup wasn't in the business yet. They got together and had a law passed that if you had so much mm hmm acid, you couldn't sell it as wine. We had a

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cellar as For Vinegar, five cents a gallon and they turn worked it over and so big made a lot of money. So who did you sell that to all that high tell you since colony to five cents a gallon. And remember san Jose uh the savior

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to be sold something that was later originally was asked by real, did you have a rail stop at your winery? Yeah, yeah. A train stop, not passenger, no, no. But the phrase, yes, if you want to ship 50 gallon Barrows, one say 10 50 gallon barrels,

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the train was stopped and then come into switching the brakeman and conductor would help us load them onto the uh bucks cars. Was there a little platform? Yeah. And and a separate little rail. What do they call that little spur track? So another train could go

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by while you had cars there? Yeah. Who managed? Well, your father managed the winery to start with until kids until the kids grew up. Then uh frank frank became winemaker and luke was foreman of the ranch and I was his helper and robert was, he's most

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assistant winemaker to frank. Mm Hmm. So there were four boys that worked at it actually actually six. But Mario was the first one to leave the ranch and he wasn't old enough to do much yet. Where did Mario go? Mhm. You got married and left the

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south south of his brain. Did he have a ranch there manage uh, a branch for uh oh, china. Oh italian find me. 00, Proves, wasn't it? I think lot of Italians went into prunes generally. They're off winemakers, but someone into prunes. They did really good. Mhm.

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So frank was the manager of the winery luke was the foreman of the ranch. And then when you were young you helped out and ed No. Well who was the other one you said helped out to robert, robert robert robert. Um Did your dad, your dad

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that never had to hire anybody else? Did he ever higher? Just just harvest season now feel to prove they couldn't do it all. But they did most of pruning robert frank and luke. Whether we live on a ranch. She's six brothers we could wear. Really? It

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took us three months January February March six brothers, 1 without outside help. And this was 130 acres by this time. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Was it um all around the railroad tracks and down to the river from the highway on down to the river. Who did your

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dad higher at harvest season anybody we can get used to put signs up sign up a lot of those days by the highway from great later later the Mexicans came. Right, but what kind of people applied to begin with? Was it kids or was a transient

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that went through or? Yeah. Transference and Mostly married couples. Huh? Remember that man named moneymaker have 10 cents a name. That was the name of a guy moneymaker? Moneymaker. Where did they live? Just drift around. Well when they picked for you, where did they live? I

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think they said in the cabin which was a winery and Yeah, well you can start boxes but uh some uh however, so I'm gonna take them off. They lived there and down in the river. Hell can't. And some just went through to make enough money to

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buy some gasoline and off they go, Well little some commuted marketing picked off every year. They used to commute from Healdsburg, lived in piper street, what was their last name marquette more? Both passed away. I was going to say that we had marquette from hubert and

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he worked all year round prune and Powell. He worked there all year round. He used to come in from here, but it's Catina nick. Well, he used to live on Ernie Myers Ranch nick. I don't think he worked on uh picking grapes. Does the inside of

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the winery now look about the same as it did when your dad had it if they don't. Well, I don't know why it's maybe a little uh a few changes, you know, but bought the same. Yeah, concrete floor. Whereas other wineries were dirt floors. So he

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had a pretty uh Good one refer that was cool as a child, but she was rocks. Why do you said that the rock winery? The rock was different than most of the other wineries in the area were not rock. Why do you think your dad chose

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to build winery of of stone. Well, all right. I have probably where he lived. They probably lived in italy probably used a lot of strong plus there was a man in santa rosa that started building for the railroad and hotels and things like that. And maybe

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you've heard of it. Yeah. What were the most other wineries built of? What other wine? Oh why can't you? It does something out 10 corrugated Chen you know? But are any of them still standing? Are any of them still standing? Are there still something going around?

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Are are any of those old wooden wine res still standing? Well Frenchman was down a highway from us but the the freeway tore that out thredson. Yeah. Yeah. They bought one in dragon. Well location there to party and Shelley still Sandy that's a wood wondering you're

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keeping adding on to but it came in after prohibition, didn't it? Yeah. Mhm. What were some of the earliest wineries after? Asked E and NErvo Sergei show sink, sink and cover there. Gian Singh S. I. N. K. Yeah. He had a concrete, concrete wondering but very

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very small itself sanity. You know where the branches. Oh there was one of dry creek the Princeton bought was a the state took his but that that was good. Maybe they had some galvanized here and there but he made a he made a good one yard

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at that place. What about Sergei show there are old pharaoh. Yeah and it's a wooden that's that's word. Yeah. And uh there used to be a big wind mean writing guys grow zero California Wine Association Bosh Bosh was foreman uh the manager until he decided to

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equip them and start the behind. Do you remember that winery hardly remember bosh because I'd go up walk the guys who will catch the train six o'clock train first time Francisco and he'd be honored and then come back at night he'll be on it. I found

00:46:31.500 - 00:47:00.290

out why so many and nuns and priests and features rode the trains. They got a free pass. Oh uh huh. Well here's his winery, the California Wine Association was I get I guess that was long ago. Very many days she would look at now they're popping

00:47:00.290 - 00:47:29.000

are still building every Yeah now they're all over the standard. I really don't know. Uh Well there was a soldier rock winery, alexander Bell. They That's an old one. Yeah, fairly fairly old. It it was false false rock in front but the rest of it was

00:47:29.010 - 00:48:14.260

all wood. Who else? Uh I can't think it was. Yeah. Others yeah. When was it that the state bought part of that land from you See the freeway went through in 1975. Yeah. So when did they buy from you? Early 70s or late 60s. No it

00:48:14.270 - 00:48:41.070

must be early early seventies early seventies they bought the right of way that the freeway, they took out About 10 acres of vineyards and they burnt down the old wine cellar which we wanted to keep for souvenir. This is the old winery. The old wine but

00:48:41.080 - 00:49:00.490

you can't stop you know they got the right to go through any place. No, I thought that was a wild looking sep had some eucalyptus. I to me it was that old winery. It's kind of a spooky play watching me. Oh I didn't like it. There

00:49:00.500 - 00:49:36.580

may be some that I missed fred Massoni made a winery part of his Barnes but I don't know probably asked permission but you can check it out with right. Uh huh jim Well Herman, the barber married into the wright family fred Mazzone right, would be her

00:49:36.590 - 00:50:05.000

father. Her father. Oh yeah, this is why he's still living. Right, right, when did you, when did you sell the winery too, was it guys Schlitz sense burning come back in 1974 But 74 73 pass the ranch we kept west side. So how many acres do

00:50:05.000 - 00:50:55.200

you still have? How many? But let's see well it's a should be, yeah, hundreds of 135 88. Yeah, So the 135 acres are owned by you and Margaret and and add now I didn't get 135 acres are owned by you and Margaret and add no now

00:50:55.210 - 00:51:31.430

no, no it's Now it's 115 I think 135 went to, Which is how Henry Trombone you sold. 135 yeah We have now if you have that doll in 1974 I don't think you're here in 1973 or 74 make much difference really. There's something interesting uh some

00:51:31.430 - 00:52:07.710

wineries are beginning to shift going to Japan and they're making a big deal out of it. My father sold to Japan and uh before profession 50 gallon barrels. Mhm And these people think they were the first ones to go to Japan. Mhm. Mhm. So that went

00:52:07.710 - 00:52:40.090

on the train down to san Francisco uh on the train to san Francisco train to san Francisco and then the ships. Mhm. What kind of grapes did you grow? Oh we, we specialize in Zinfandel. That's whether that was the most then carrick nan pity to surat

00:52:40.100 - 00:53:25.980

they call it now kelly candy in those days, valve asia and Quote White White one Golden Shatters & Burger Burgers. We were one of the first ones to make zinfandels are famous wine. Yeah. Is that right now it's getting real famous. Mhm Margaret. When did when

00:53:25.980 - 00:53:46.420

did you go, you went to high school right you were what a year ahead of my mom. I thought she was but she didn't graduate. Did you know? I thought she did, she didn't, did you graduate 1926 1926. Who is your principal? Mr bilman, he taught

00:53:46.420 - 00:54:08.920

school and but the principal at the same time, they don't do that, you know they don't do, we're talking now about high school who were some of your teachers, this is Dean witty mrs Clark and yes. Are you remember saw her? No but I heard about

00:54:08.920 - 00:54:25.410

him. He had a wooden leg. You with a science teacher and somebody tied a slag to table one. I used to play tricks on him. Oh gosh those kids, high school kids are always in in mischief you know and mishaps. Well we we didn't go to

00:54:25.410 - 00:54:51.560

school grammar school. You guys about? Where did you go to grammar school? I bet you went to independent. About $8 schools still send you behind. Lance is out. We all walked down here. No busses, peaches breath and Meyer with the first teacher and then what was

00:54:51.970 - 00:55:13.330

she lived with her and she taught school that one birthday quit one room. One teacher she taught all the greats from 8 to 4. No, our neighbor made from eight o'clock until class long hours in those days now two of our neighbors were teachers Ferguson With

00:55:13.330 - 00:55:37.230

my fire birth and Meyer 1st what was Meyer's name bertha huh? Marisa Mayer to Mayer and ruby Ferguson. They talk there. What other kids went to school with you? Iola stone. Well Iola stone and go on with you guys about uh Yeah she went to a

00:55:37.680 - 00:55:57.110

a stone stone and Williams used to live in the white on witness ranch recipe. Williams. I was basically go to grammar school. Er I guess you didn't gurney remember Green. Guess what skills they lived in Watkinsville charlie and newly they went to grammar school error and

00:55:57.110 - 00:56:19.460

I think Russell patterson how bob bob meyer he must have been there I guess so. His brother and friends and boys did I remember them is by eight or 9 scholars that's all. Well some of those other names you just said Bill Charles Whitman's. Oh that's

00:56:19.460 - 00:56:46.430

the last charlie and Newey. Not Walton speed. Yeah that's the name Watson still remember charlie. I've heard that name in Hawaii discover ranch time didn't they? I think so. Otherwise on the witness and it wouldn't happen. You must have yeah you must yeah must have. So

00:56:46.430 - 00:57:12.190

he's right there in nearby how about south all I think it was Iowa stone President. They came in later. Used to be soft. A huge brick was the winery. Yeah but elementary school we came to Francis mustard. Can't remember Leonard and Donald to they there was

00:57:12.190 - 00:57:35.200

another school to go to an area that was lit in school but they didn't go there. We're called the booth school or something like that. They were the Salvation Army. Right William booth yeah so not many Children we were the biggest 19 Kids. You yeah but

00:57:35.200 - 00:57:54.850

Luke Luke went to both. High school. That's right. Oh yeah who was a teacher in those days? I don't remember because I only have my Lucas that went with me one I forgot her name. Um Oh and see when I finished grammar still mrs Wilson Casino.

00:57:55.330 - 00:58:12.330

Oh yes but I wasn't very great Mrs Wilson. She was living in Healdsburg now. Where was Mrs Wilson? She was a teacher when uh when independence uh ruby went to san Jose ruby Fergus went presented. I think she went to the college back to school and

00:58:12.330 - 00:58:32.500

then she taught school down for many years until she passed away. Yeah. She always lived with her aunt. When did independent school clothes. Well let me see what when When did it consolidate with guys? Well I went to high school. I must have been 22 because

00:58:32.500 - 00:58:50.020

I graduated 1926. Must have been 21. Must have been the last last night when they closed that up 1921, or 22. Because I went to high school guys at all. I was a freshman and they didn't have no more in elementary school and it was already

00:58:50.030 - 00:59:11.480

closed when you went to high school. When I went under the high school. Your theory close independence. They should have kept the town in the country. You know that I think all those small lot or better that way. High school here they had school bus. No,

00:59:11.490 - 00:59:34.520

not a very fancy women in those days. And George Stone used to drive a little George. Your son a little tiny square. He was too old to drive. Yeah George or john his name is steve wasn't john Stone. You must have been john Johnstone Johnstone George

00:59:34.520 - 00:59:53.080

was the son that I told his father, you know what he did He used to do. He was he must have been 80 years old. You looked like it. They didn't they didn't have the door in front, they send it back and you have to time

00:59:53.080 - 01:00:13.660

served he take off before you got on the bus. Yeah one from bigger neck. Oh dear. Remember luke went to high school? But there was no how to get down there. Horse and buggy. Look at the high school went down there for a while but the

01:00:13.660 - 01:00:32.650

heel spur. Yeah there wasn't school guys are well there was no high school, It didn't start until 19 routine Frank went to high school up there with no building. I believe what happened with pictures probably what it was in Woodman Hall for until 1915. Until you

01:00:32.650 - 01:00:57.160

have that 20, was when the high school, the old high school was built and you Julius were in mom's class. Right in high school you were in my mother's class Marie Glaser. I'll take you with your class machine. She wouldn't remember. When did you, when did

01:00:57.160 - 01:01:22.830

you graduate? Thanks. When did you graduate? 28? I don't think she is she, I think she was, she never, gradually. I always thought she did. How long she'd go to high school two years. I didn't like the leader who was in your class. Who who uh

01:01:24.810 - 01:02:14.550

well my water Eleanor wash carver um hear the breath I can't think of her name was brian uh Black, black. I I can't think of running water bell jim jim Riley Malcolm coun I guess that that was not my mother's class. I think you must have

01:02:14.560 - 01:02:45.830

been I think yeah, I think if you graduated in 1929 I think you're right. She graduated or would have graduate. Helen, Petersen Morris stay uh Wendell black uh maybe joseph Rinne brig moley. I can't remember josephine brig moley. Yeah she wasn't in my past. No, no

01:02:45.840 - 01:03:09.200

my mother I think graduated would have graduated. Well they all went their three sisters and a brother I guess. Mhm. From Canyon Road. Right. Well what did you do when you got out of high school? You did not go on to the, you didn't go back

01:03:09.210 - 01:03:44.470

to the ranch did you? He was there for what was I graduated in 28 then it went to swiss business college and 30 santa rosa. And uh junior college, 31 32 and robert Actually I actually started college to get robert sorry but he he went one

01:03:44.470 - 01:04:24.610

year then he quit so I kept them going. Well the rest of the rest of them were I wanted to be farmers I guess because uh luke frank Mario, they didn't go to college, I bought it. Uh Nora, she went to business college. She went to

01:04:24.610 - 01:04:54.940

business college suites. Business collar here, remember that was the santa rosa. I wouldn't have stayed on the ranch. But too many of us. Too many ideas. So Mario left? Yeah. Then I want to expand the winery and they didn't want to. So I left, my father

01:04:54.950 - 01:05:28.610

died because I was a chauffeur. You always like to go for a ride on sunday? Asked uh, why did you do them, you through the ground? What did you do Then you drew the greyhound bus. The trains ran, the trains went through our ranch right behind

01:05:28.610 - 01:06:04.600

your winery, water train. Right? Yeah. A lot of passengers rains. I want to be a railroad engineers see, but And the crash of 29 everything went to pieces. The redwood went down nothing you might say. So I thought about, I was always interested in transportation, airplanes,

01:06:05.380 - 01:06:38.640

trains, busses. So my father died. I went to work for gray in santa rosa. So I drove great homes for 35 years. Uh huh. What ralph, did you have anything you can think of from senator? Serviceable to coos, bay Oregon lee county and napa county. Every

01:06:38.650 - 01:07:05.040

any run they had, I was on it up the coast fort Bragg. I like that. Some, some drivers had the same run all our lives, especially on the Eureka run because they Peyton morrissey you have to work up to your seniority see Work seven years of

01:07:05.050 - 01:07:41.110

extra more because I could hold to run. So I drove three million miles without an accident. You ever hit me and I never hit that another par. When did you retire from bus strike? I can remember this easy November 1st 1970 mm hmm. I retired five

01:07:41.120 - 01:08:05.860

years ahead of time. I didn't go to 65, 60. And then you went into real estate after that kept busy. Well, I'll help you to want me to they the center's room. Oh, I'll take a month off every year for harvest season and and ran their

01:08:05.870 - 01:08:23.320

retail room while the other brothers did the other things Margaret. What did you do after graduation? Nothing stayed home. I didn't know what I wanted to do. I didn't like anything. I couldn't put it that way. I would have gone to business college if I'm not

01:08:23.320 - 01:08:39.700

good in that office work. I would have gone though. That was When my sister went to business calling me six months business college then had to go a year. They need to make it longer. She took bookkeeping shorthand. It was entered to be frank And Ella.

01:08:39.700 - 01:08:56.090

They were naturally born bookkeepers. I wasn't, I wish I was today. You had an important thing to do at home where your mom and dad still alive when you graduated from high school, he was. Yeah, my mother fractured her hip back that bridge from high school.

01:08:56.100 - 01:09:09.100

So you took care of her. So she always had to walk with a crutch to crunches and one and she always, and then she could walk with a cane. Do you know? She planted too flowers that she liked and her garden and she never complained. The

01:09:09.100 - 01:09:23.500

hip hurt all the time. Like it was a bad break. Right at the socket. I don't think dr silver said it right, you know in those days. But uh so she really never had no freedom raised a family and she worked out in the field to

01:09:24.270 - 01:09:39.800

and I had no washing machine those days, but my sister helped for the washing. I tell you a lot of clothes, men's clothes and sheets. Oh boy. But when my sister had left nice, we don't have washing machines. I said most of the sheets, the laundry,

01:09:39.810 - 01:09:57.520

it's too hard work washing by hand. Remember those days of the old fashioned old tub you have to bring in hot water and no, that was a job. When did your mother die? Uh here's see it was 1960 1960, I think 1960s you because we know

01:09:57.520 - 01:10:16.670

that passed away in 1962 because my sister, so you took care of her until then. I'm not the S&I always stay there and you kept house and for staying there until spring. And I don't want to stand by by myself who's frank lived there too. He

01:10:16.670 - 01:10:36.690

lived there frank. Both lived there all their lives. When did when did frank die? I haven't did I mark? I think I wrote that 18. I'm so forgetful. He didn't die very long ago. You know when a lot of your part luke died first. Uh Yeah

01:10:36.700 - 01:10:50.840

and he was always pretty oil. He was went and luke died. He had, he was dead for many years and he couldn't stand the hearing. I had to write notes to him all the time. I had to write notes like two or three years ago, two

01:10:50.840 - 01:11:11.830

or three years ago. It's all no way. My heart found somewhere couple of years and then frank right after that about a year part. Yeah. Um, this is to see frank fell many years ago and he was Donna. Why are you watching the tank and in

01:11:11.830 - 01:11:27.470

your Disney? And he got older he wasn't able to too much and it was able to do anything and didn't like to sit down. But then he had a problem with that knee, a lot of trouble with it and walked with the king eddy. That is

01:11:27.680 - 01:12:06.230

what ended left. Uh well when we got married. 040 43. Uh huh. We started, we started travel bureau in santa rosa. The 2nd 1. They only had one the second line then any work for us. Then our line was coming through from Eureka Eureka and I

01:12:06.240 - 01:12:38.170

got a contract to hold a passenger in the mail. Uh great work express and I had Eddie do that see so uh things weren't too good at the airport, nobody was writing playing. So every everybody quit. Uh the mechanic, the dealers. So I I had I

01:12:38.180 - 01:13:11.480

had two planes. I saw my two planes other lost. Then he went to through him through us knowing the airlines we got him a job with keep it G. W. A. So the tickets in san Francisco then he got a job with pacific far east sanctions

01:13:11.510 - 01:13:49.300

Iran and stay there until he retired. Do you have something that I have this dumb? Uh he died. He passed away February the 12th 1985 and frank passed away. Mm hmm. May the ninth, 1986. And robert All through August the 7th 1977 August 7, 1977. Yeah,

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thank you very much. When Margaret did you leave the ranch? You said it was august just august of last year. A lot of parallel to roman house and here into the into the city of you. Yeah thank august the latter part of august last year. Eight

01:14:08.540 - 01:14:36.080

years in one place along. I'm golly well Luke Luke was there 86 and Frank 85. A long time nobody stayed in the same place. People live all the time. Certainly. I'll tell you this. You will have to printed just make enough. We also Aside the 1st

01:14:36.090 - 01:15:02.790

Tribal Bureau in Petaluma the very first one hotel. Do you make any money? She did because I was writing For greyhounds. Do you have any good business there now. Santa Rosa has about 25. Goldberg. Of course Santa Rosa had population 10,000 when I drove for ground

01:15:02.790 - 01:15:22.620

now it's 100,000. Yeah. It's one other thing I want to ask you about Julius and that is about the guys are the Chamber of Commerce. What can you tell me about that? Mom says That she thinks there was a chamber a long time ago like in

01:15:22.620 - 01:15:47.290

the 20s and the 30s. Is that true? 50 years ago 50 years ago Cavatelli opened the restaurant 50 years ago and the father Everett Lanson open bars worth And myself Started the Chamber of Commerce 50 years ago. So that would have been about 19 in the

01:15:47.290 - 01:16:27.570

mid 1930s. Yeah. See I was well Even 20s I guess because I was still on the ranch until it was uh huh. 32. You know a lot of people and you were still on the ranch when this, when the chamber started. Yeah. And I also, sorry

01:16:28.310 - 01:16:50.590

believe it or not. It's just a kid you might say uhh a farmer's union, not workers union of farmers union. You guys are well Oh that's a long time ago. Just in the early 20s. How are you? We we had big crowds at the at the

01:16:50.600 - 01:17:18.660

grammar school and so forth than uh we we started a gasoline coop so we can get gas and cheaper for the ranches. I borrowed my money, my folks truck, crime going on here showed us the truth. Uh Yes thanks. And I started in no pay, no

01:17:18.660 - 01:17:45.560

pay for me, no pay for my folks that trump. Did have he saw that? The tank. So he made a little bit I would say so we were we were going strong and uh we think the center oil, we think that senator oil didn't like the

01:17:45.560 - 01:18:07.700

idea because we were getting into the guest business. You know what they did? They spread rumors that we were a bunch of communists too much. We broke up. Mm hmm. That's the best way to kill her person. You called him a communist. Mhm. We'll go on

01:18:07.700 - 01:18:28.950

with tell me more about the history of the chamber. Now you say you started, it was totally Bosworth you and lamps and you started maybe in the late 20s. And then what happened then? Uh the man that lived next to clement, he was a retired schoolteacher

01:18:28.950 - 01:19:00.650

from uh Calistoga. He was nice, nice man and a doula. Uh he uh he was secretary treasurer and he comes down the real estate office where we're gonna go and get some more members. Well now is this joe medulla? What joe medulla. Yeah. Well now that

01:19:00.650 - 01:19:19.920

was later though, wasn't it? I mean what happened to the chamber from the 20s to the 30s? Did it kind of the heater out or anything. Okay. We always went now didn't venona get active in this to clement venona. Sure he and I was. I'll go

01:19:19.920 - 01:19:52.460

back to the floor there. Okay Clam used to like raz everlasting I guess you call it c you always complain and I was a friend of his to but Everett and the others I guess I got fed up with lamps with uh Clem so they disbanded

01:19:52.460 - 01:20:18.830

the chamber and they formed the to Moscow people think that it was and the chamber no Clem and I picked it up right away and got this job and got the membership up to 40 and we would have to go to the the grain shaw because

01:20:18.830 - 01:20:57.110

cuts kelly couldn't have us. Uh huh. Then then can can trying to got well easy like you know. Uh and he he didn't having meetings as often as you should so 19 17 for the year risotto wine ring. Uh the newcomers were Sharpton to come in,

01:20:57.380 - 01:21:30.370

come in, see so we we built that opened up and then Met one Summer months and dinner you know and speakers and so forth. Yeah No I think they have about 200 members And always 100 125 for the nerves. Never did stop the chamber. And uh

01:21:30.380 - 01:21:52.300

the newcomers, they put an ad in the paper new Chamber of Commerce far and I got after the the rev billy up there and they kept uh huh uhh put in the head I said well you better take that and out of the directors you're wrong

01:21:52.350 - 01:22:19.210

can prove you Uh that was 50 years old. Never, never, never did stop. So he finally took the, signed on. What business was Clem in? But what business he was a farmer from one thing. Uh cattle man with your father had up in the hills and

01:22:19.210 - 01:22:50.220

his son still has. Uh But besides that he was he was electrician and he sold uh irrigation pipe for the vendors and and he sold everything. A frigid orders, Washington means she's right in town buildings, settle there next to the old telephone. Oh yeah. Well you

01:22:50.600 - 01:23:16.420

yeah and and his wife was cheap operator for a long time until they went automatic, you know. Yeah. Well you you said that um the chamber kind of slow down for a while. When was that? What decade? When in the 40s or the 50s or the

01:23:16.420 - 01:23:44.970

60s? And you said that it kind of went defunct for a little while? No, I never did. And we always had our president, vice President, uh Secretary Treasure. We had the bank account and got zero. Never then die. Who were the people that stayed active before

01:23:44.970 - 01:24:28.330

the newcomers came. Well, the original name that I the mansion then then then as we grew up, we we we did we did this uh uh at that time she the shoemaker, what for instance closed. Oh, drugstore closed. No, no more doctors. No more dentists. So

01:24:28.340 - 01:24:57.660

we go to Hill's berg and get them to join the chamber for a something that we needed to see. So that builds it up. Pretty good, Cloverdale. Not too much to go over a little bit. Mhm. Hey what Geyserville merchants stayed active in it. What what

01:24:57.670 - 01:25:31.990

guys er ville people stayed active? You and Ben Oni, Were there any other ones? Here's the banker, Jim Pierce, here's a manager of the bank uh padilla for well to do was neither. Well of course martin nervo winery belong luke nor will belong. And uh some

01:25:32.000 - 01:26:02.710

farmers still harry said Pete Stone was active and yeah. Peace stone. Yeah but bosworth. My father had dropped out by then. The and lamps and Oh Samson. He killed the chamber. She Uh huh. He didn't want any more chamber. So they brought in the calm waters.

01:26:04.980 - 01:26:30.870

But anyway, never do saw Now. When did the co wanna start? About 1974 did you say? Yeah. No way back before uh the minute The new chamber started in or all the other, it started in 1974. Isen't that what you said? That was the newcomers. You

01:26:30.870 - 01:26:57.710

might came about 1917. When did the colonists start? When did the colonists start? Right away? They killed the chamber. Put your, come on this one. When? About when? Fifties? 50, 50 years ago. Yeah. Yeah. The cartel has been there for 50 years. That's when the Charge.

01:26:58.140 - 01:27:23.600

Charge? Oh you mean the Cohen started 50 years ago too? Yeah. Well the market a little Are you sure cheap from way back? Not much going on You know, I thought that you meant that Everitt lampson was in the old chamber and then he got tired

01:27:23.600 - 01:27:52.210

of it and he dropped out and formed the colonists. Well, he killed the chamber completely. Oh, when did he kill it completely? Well, I would say It's 50 years old I would say uh two years after a storm. Oh, I see. Yeah, he he had no

01:27:53.180 - 01:28:15.590

idea what that crime was going to do that. He thought he had the chamber pill for life I guess. I see. So uh the chamber started like in the thirties and only lasted a couple of years and then Everett lamps and killed it and formed the

01:28:15.590 - 01:28:38.390

Cohens Club. But you and Clement kind of picked the chamber up and I mean, you know the chamber and kept it going. I didn't know that Cohen's was that old? Yes. For a while. It's pretty big, pretty big for guys. Well too. A lot of members,

01:28:38.870 - 01:29:04.010

of course they're doing like the chamber did. They're they're taking them from Cloverdale. And he was burned himself. All right right now. What about, was was there any connection between the chamber and the new members in the Warm Springs Dam and Clement. I heard some kind

01:29:04.010 - 01:29:27.520

of a rumor that clement got had some kind of a problem with using funds of the chamber. Well. Warm springs down, climb. Ben oni was All four because he figured he would sell a lot of pipes and things like that to the to the dam. Uh

01:29:27.520 - 01:30:00.290

huh. No this is something that's hard to believe when they talked about the guys owners that was at least 25 years ago or more. Uh uh see you are mine a man came Magna Magna drilling company then there was another name and the tall guy was

01:30:00.290 - 01:30:31.080

a president and he came to our chamber. Not one Chamber would back the idea except guys over now that's really important. Do you think his brig would go there? Mcmillan McMahon? He died now used to have him come and talk to the people and so far

01:30:31.760 - 01:30:54.490

now what about the Warm Springs Dam? So Clement was in favor of the dam because he thought he could sell a lot of pipes? Sure. Yeah. And then what happened? Oh later later one of the army Corps of Engineers gotten into that. That that made him

01:30:54.490 - 01:31:15.060

mad and he dropped out so I thought he was against the dam 1st 1st. But in the end he opposed when he saw he couldn't sell anything, he began against the dam and then he used some of the funds of the chamber to fight the damn.

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Is that correct? I could I can't recall that unless Clem did it with the other directors that I didn't know about. Who were some of those who were some of those other directors. Do you remember remember who they were, who were some of the other directors?

01:31:43.010 - 01:32:28.350

Let's see. Yeah. Uh huh. Well at that time Open Open Barcelona and Uh huh the banker peers and well amongst us I was and he was and and this and this time I was president five years not narrow & TED was President five years Chicken, Chicken

01:32:28.350 - 01:32:51.330

turns to keep it up jim didn't want it either, didn't want it so clever and I kept it going by exactly present. Yeah my dad was an old friend of Clem's, wasn't my dad? My my father was an old friend of Clem's right, they were old

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buddies. My father and Clem. Oh yeah sure sure sure yeah. Uh huh. I tried them triangles. Very good friend of open so nobody was in the chamber to Yeah, yeah, a long time ago, a long time. But then he didn't he didn't say yeah with it.

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Well I guess anywhere did it get started and then he dropped out too? Well he was quite thick in the odd fellows. He was pretty busy I guess, do book work at night and so far all that's right. He was active in the odd fellows. Do

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you still go to the chamber Julius? Yeah, all the time